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		<title>Gifts from Republicans to the Unemployed: Cut 40 Weeks of Benefits and Drug Tests; Ignore 99ers</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 02:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Down to the wire again as Congress, especially the GOP, play out their end of year game of threatening the unemployedwith benefits disruption. This was the same tactic used by the GOP in 2010. At that time they forced Obama to extend fiscally imprudent tax cuts for the wealthy by threatening to put an end to extended unemployment [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Down to the wire again as <a href="http://www.examiner.com/unemployment-in-rochester/congress-wealthy-photo?cid=int_mb_1001">Congress</a>, especially the GOP, play out their end of year game of threatening the <a href="http://www.examiner.com/unemployment-in-rochester/florida-unemployed-video?cid=int_mb_1001">unemployed</a>with benefits disruption. This was the same tactic used by the GOP in 2010. At that time they forced Obama to extend fiscally imprudent tax cuts for the wealthy by threatening to put an end to extended <a href="http://www.examiner.com/unemployment-in-rochester/2-181-500-have-lost-unemployment-benefits-when-will-congress-vote-to-extend-unemployment-benefits?cid=int_mb_1001">unemployment benefits</a>. Obama gave the GOP a two year extension of those budget busting tax cuts and the GOP gave the unemployed, at least some of them, an extension of unemployment benefits.</p>
<p>The GOP is back threatening unemployed again, but this time they are also dragging along 160 million working Americans who would benefit from a continuation of a payroll tax reduction. Fortunately, the GOP is playing a much weaker hand this year and may have to fold to the pressures of the American electorate who not only want a payroll tax extension, but also want unemployment benefits extended.</p>
<p>Republicans won’t go quietly into the night without further disparaging the unemployed. Their version of the unemployment extension would promote drug testing the unemployed and it would cut benefit maximums to 79 weeks and then 59 weeks during the summer of 2012.</p>
<p>According to an Arthur Delaney article at <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/16/unemployment-drug-test-republicans-jobless_n_1153877.html" rel="nofollow">Huffington Post</a>, “What evidence do Republicans have that drug use is a problem among the unemployed? None that they&#8217;ve been willing to share. Ask a Republican politician&#8217;s staff for additional information on his or her anecdote about the stoned jobless, and they&#8217;ll tell you it&#8217;s just something they hear about all the time back in their districts, and you have to take their word for it.”</p>
<p>While there are anecdotal reports of drug use among some job seekers, there is no qualitative reason to believe that a large majority of unemployed are guilty of taking illegal drugs. Why didn’t any of these congressional puritans drug test the failed bank and corporate executives that they handed trillions of taxpayer dollars without any strings attached? The GOP must believe that the wealthy and connected are angels that are beyond temptation while the poor and financially strapped job seekers are devilish drug abusers.</p>
<p>While drug testing all unemployed is a lousy and expensive idea that should be abandoned immediately, it’s the fact that Republicans want to dramatically cut back on the maximum number of weeks that the unemployed can collect benefits in the face of an economy that still isn’t creating the jobs needed to employ millions of unemployed is appalling.</p>
<p>In an article from <a href="http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/801-economy/200393-top-house-democrat-criticizes-republicans-for-risking-expiration-of-federal-jobless-benefits" rel="nofollow">The Hill </a>today, “Levin&#8217;s support for the two-month deal comes amid his concerns that some states, including his home state of Michigan, would lose upward of 20 weeks of federal extended benefits under the Senate&#8217;s short-term bill within the first few months of the year because it doesn&#8217;t include a provision to ensure they remain in place.“</p>
<p>So regardless of which bill passes – if a bill passes – some long-term unemployed in some states will lose benefits starting the beginning of 2012. Both parties have their hand in the unemployment cutback plan.</p>
<p>Benefits <a href="http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/801-economy/200393-top-house-democrat-criticizes-republicans-for-risking-expiration-of-federal-jobless-benefits" rel="nofollow">could be cut</a> by as many as 20 weeks next year — in line with a 20-week cut mentioned by President Obama in his jobs bill, supporters have said.</p>
<p>A House-passed Republican plan called for cutting total benefits to79 weeks in January and eventually drop them to a maximum of 59 weeks.</p>
<p>Hundreds of thousands of unemployed will be affected by reduced weeks of benefits. While cutting the maximum number of weeks makes sense during a jobs expansion, that isn’t the case at this point and a recent <a href="http://www.gallup.com/poll/151601/Underemployment-Mid-December-Similar-Year-Ago.aspx" rel="nofollow">Gallup</a> poll confirms that point, “Underemployment, a measure that combines the percentage of workers who are unemployed with the percentage working part time but wanting full-time work, is 18.4% in mid-December, as measured by Gallup without seasonal adjustment. This is up slightly from 18.1% at the end of November and similar to the 18.5% of a year ago.”</p>
<p>It’s no wonder that Congress has a <a href="http://www.gallup.com/poll/151628/Congress-Ends-2011-Record-Low-Approval.aspx" rel="nofollow">record low </a>approval rating,“A new record-low 11% of Americans approve of the job Congress is doing, the lowest single rating in Gallup&#8217;s history of asking this question since 1974.” That rating is probably 10% too high, but it shows just how disenchanted Americans of all political stripes are with the political class.</p>
<p>Although the unemployed as a whole are being used as political pawns, they at least have the attentions of politicians and a nation looking for answers. Yet there is one group of unemployed that has been completely ignored of late, the unemployed who have exhausted all benefits &#8211; the 99ers. Over the past two years, millions of 99ers have not collected unemployment benefits or a paycheck. A recent Google search of news stories about 99ers produced this simple statement from the OC Register when discussing recent unemployment legislation, “There would be no additional benefits for the so-called 99ers, who have exhausted their 99 weeks.”</p>
<p>Congress and the president have purposely ignored the millions of 99ers for political reasons. Politicians such as Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-MI), Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY), and others who once pushed for 99er legislation have grown silent on the issue. And now it appears that the new 99ers will now be 79ers and possibly 59ers in the near future.</p>
<p>The fact remains that when you consider all under and unemployed, there are about <a href="http://www.examiner.com/unemployment-in-rochester/11-reasons-why-the-unemployment-crisis-is-even-worse-than-you-think" rel="nofollow">10 job seekers</a> for each available full-time job opening. That is not a jobs situation that is the fault of the under and unemployed. It’s a situation where there are not enough jobs for those who want jobs.</p>
<p>The unemployed cannot depend on their elected representatives to act in their best interests, but they can depend on those same elected representatives continued criticism, belittlement and disregard. Let’s hope that Congress quickly comes to their senses and passes comprehensive legislation that doesn’t punish the unemployed.  Can Congress rise above it&#8217;s partisan bickering this holiday season of giving? Time will tell, but that time is short.</p>
<div class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 510px"><a href="http://cdn.svcs.c2.uclick.com/c2/165d44e00f1c012f2fc600163e41dd5b"><img title="Mike Lukovich gocomics" src="http://cdn.svcs.c2.uclick.com/c2/165d44e00f1c012f2fc600163e41dd5b" alt="" width="500" height="370" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Happy holidays from the GOP! Mike Lukovich @gocomics.com</p></div>
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		<title>To Pass Veterans Jobs Bill, Congress Takes Money from Veterans and Gives it to Corporations</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2011 23:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just prior to Veterans Day Congress actually seemed to find the will to act responsibly and overwhelmingly passed a veteran’s jobs bill. This bill awaits President Obama’s signature. While the feckless media touted this legislation as indication that both sides of the political isle can work together when it concerns helping the country’s military service [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just prior to Veterans Day Congress actually seemed to find the will to act responsibly and overwhelmingly passed a veteran’s jobs bill. This bill awaits President Obama’s signature. While the feckless media touted this legislation as indication that both sides of the political isle can work together when it concerns helping the country’s military service personnel, this same media didn’t bother to highlight the fact that this bill was paid for with already obligated funds for veterans.</p>
<p>The  ‘VOW to Hire Heros Act’ “<a href="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politicsnorthwest/2016738258_veterans.html">Would provide veteran</a>s with comprehensive transition assistance, ranging from resume writing to an extra year of training for high-demand fields like technology and trucking. In addition, companies would get up to $5,600 in tax credits for each veteran hired, and up to $9,600 for a disabled veteran, as long as he or she has been job hunting for at least six months.”</p>
<p>Certainly it’s important to help veterans transition to a job when they return home from active duty, but wouldn’t it be appropriate for Congress to find funding for this bill in another area besides the elimination of a fee reduction that would have helped other veterans? Yes, apparently Congress believes that veterans should be the ones paying for a veteran’s jobs bill:</p>
<p>“To cover the cost of the veteran jobs package, Murray and Miller agreed to a provision that will keep in place <a href="http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,238346,00.html">higher VA loan guarantee fees</a> for veterans who re-use home loan benefits a second time or more. The higher fees, set in 2003, were to expire but will be extended through 2016.”</p>
<p>“The tax breaks and jobs programs for veterans would <a href="http://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Senate-approves-jobs-plan-for-vets-2263419.php#ixzz1dvPipjrb">cost just over $1 billion</a>, and would be paid for by extending a fee the <a href="http://www.timesunion.com/?controllerName=search&amp;action=search&amp;channel=news&amp;search=1&amp;inlineLink=1&amp;query=%22Veterans+Affairs+Department%22">Veterans Affairs Department</a> charges to back home loans.”</p>
<p>The ‘VOW to Hire Heros Act’ also contains some other jobs related benefits and will likely help some long-term unemployed vets find some much needed work, but other veterans fees will not be reduced and corporations will benefit by receiving a hefty tax credit. In essence, veterans are paying corporations to hire them.</p>
<p>Would it have been possible for Congress to impose a fee on hedge funds to pay for this veteran’s jobs bill? Could tobacco farming subsidies been cut to pay for this bill? Maybe the oil companies could have been forced to pay minimally higher tax for deep water drilling permits. A surcharge on executive bonuses on banks that received taxpayer bailouts may have been appropriate. No, that would have been too divisive, since the GOP would rather see jobless than higher fees and taxes and Democrats don’t want to anger their large campaign contributors with additional charges. No, both parties agreed that veterans should pay corporations to help veterans land jobs.</p>
<p>This type of legislation where cuts are made in programs helping the poor and middle class is nothing new. Last year <a href="http://%20http/www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129747980">Congress cut planned food stamp benefit increases </a>to fund another jobs bill, “Congress decided to pay for part of a $26 billion jobs bill by cutting future food stamp benefits.”</p>
<p>And this year Democrats are proposing cutting Medicare to the tune of $400 billion as a sweetener to see if the GOP will raise some taxes. As <a href="http://www.thomhartmann.com/bigpicture/hartmann-have-democrats-not-learned-their-lesson-yet">Thom Hartmann </a>offers, “Why on earth would Democrats put their second-most prized creation on the table for sacrifice &#8211; when everyone knows Republicans aren&#8217;t going to compromise on raising taxes on millionaires and billionaires no matter what Democrats offer up? Have Democrats not learned their lesson yet?” It’s obvious that Democrats have not learned their lessons and feel it’s easier to chop social programs than to reduce unbridled defense spending, corporate welfare and demand that corporations pay taxes on trillions in off-shored profits.</p>
<p>In fact, the current veteran’s jobs bill contains an elimination of a proposed withholding tax, “Erasing the withholding requirement for contractors would reduce federal revenues by an estimated $11.2 billion over the coming decade. It would be paid for by making it harder for some elderly people to qualify for Medicaid by changing the formula used to determine their eligibility.” The result is that contractors benefit at the expense of the elderly.</p>
<p>If both parties in Congress can agree on one thing it’s that it’s easier to cut benefits for the poor and middle class, and veterans in the case of ‘VOW to Hire Heros Act’, than to place any burden on the mega-wealthy, the connected class, or large highly profitable corporations. It’s not surprising that Occupy Wall Street protests across the nation have taken the argument for economic justice to the streets, since economic justice is not being found in the halls of Congress.</p>
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		<title>White House petition to extend unemployment benefits to 99ers and the long-term unemployed</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 01:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The following White House petition was written by Bud Meyers who is an advocate for 99ers and the long-term unemployed. He writes his own blog at http://bud-meyers.blogspot.com/ that is worth a read, since he is so close to the action surrounding the unemployment crisis facing this nation. Please take the time to read and sign the following petition. 5000 [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The following White House petition was written by Bud Meyers who is an advocate for 99ers and the long-term unemployed. He writes his own blog at <a href="http://bud-meyers.blogspot.com/">http://bud-meyers.blogspot.com/</a> that is worth a read, since he is so close to the action surrounding the unemployment crisis facing this nation.</p>
<p>Please take the time to read and sign the following petition. 5000 signatures are required for this petition to receive the attention of the White House. Your signature will go a long way to helping out millions of long-term unemployed. Click on <a href="https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/extend-unemployment-benefits-past-99-weeks-all-long-term-unemployed-americans-99ers-and-any/xTXWP818?utm_source=wh.gov&amp;utm_medium=shorturl&amp;utm_campaign=shortu">this link</a> to view the petition.</p>
<h4><strong>WE PETITION THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TO:</strong></h4>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;"><strong>Extend unemployment benefits past 99 weeks for ALL long-term unemployed Americans &#8211; for the 99ers and ANY &#8220;exhaustee&#8221;</strong></span></p>
<p><strong>Very soon an estimated 10 million Ame</strong>ricans and their families will have exhausted all 99 weeks of their unemployment insurance benefits (or whatever their State&#8217;s maximum qualifying weeks were). Please extend these benefits past 99 weeks for ALL long-term unemployed Americans, especially for the “99ers” and any &#8220;exhaustee&#8221;, until there are enough jobs available. Because of age or physical imitations, many can not be expected to pick up a shovel. Many have already been without any income at all for a year or longer and barely subsist on food stamps. The 99ers and “exhaustees” can no longer wait for 14 million jobs to gradually come online over a protracted period of time. We&#8217;ve waited as long as we could.</p>
<p>http://bud-meyers.blogspot.com/2011/09/official-white-house-petition-for-99ers.html</p>
<div><strong>Created:</strong> Sep 22, 2011</div>
<div><strong>Issues:</strong> <a href="https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petitions/all/0/2/97">Job Creation</a>, <a href="https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petitions/all/0/2/103">Labor</a>, <a href="https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petitions/all/0/2/121">Poverty</a></div>
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		<title>11 Reasons Why the Unemployment Crisis Is Even Worse Than You Think</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 20:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[President Obama recently addressed the nation during a joint session of Congress and the main theme of that address was the need to create jobs, lots of jobs, millions of jobs. The Great Recession has cost US workers millions of jobs and those jobs have not come back as quickly as they disappeared and in [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>President Obama recently addressed the nation during a joint session of Congress and the main theme of that address was the need to create jobs, lots of jobs, millions of jobs. The Great Recession has cost US workers millions of jobs and those jobs have not come back as quickly as they disappeared and in many cases those jobs will never return. According to the <a href="http://www.epi.org/publication/labor-day-by-the-numbers-2011/" target="_hplink">Economic Policy Institute</a>, &#8220;In total, there are 6.9 million fewer jobs today than there were in December 2007.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is only a small part of the jobs-hole story, a story that is often ignored, overlooked and oversimplified by mass media.</p>
<p>The media has failed to present the unemployment problem, with all its associated economically devastating consequences, in the manner it deserves. It&#8217;s possible that unemployment facts and figures don&#8217;t translate well for advertisers, or they are too cumbersome to present in a two-minute segment. Whatever the reason, the mass media seem to avoid unemployment details as they would avoid describing and filming fresh road kill during a dinnertime newscast. While some excellent blogs clearly explain unemployment data, such as <a href="http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/" target="_hplink">Mish&#8217;s Economic Trend Analysis</a>, <a href="http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/" target="_hplink">Calculated Risk</a> and<a href="http://www.economicpopulist.org/content/job-jolts-there-are-432-unemployed-job-opening-july-2011" target="_hplink">Economic Populist</a>, mass media sites are absent.</p>
<p>The unemployment rate remained at 9.1 percent for August. Unemployment to the mass media generally centers on that single point within the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) monthly employment report. There is passing mention of discouraged workers and the underemployed, but the true scale of the jobs crisis is given scant attention considering the magnitude of the problem.</p>
<p>What follows are 11 unemployment details that mass media underreports or ignores completely. This list will not be recalled fondly as a top-10 list of best quarterbacks or favorite vacation retreats would, but it&#8217;s where the REAL unemployment crisis is exposed.</p>
<p>1. <strong>The jobs deficit</strong>: That is the total number of jobs lost PLUS jobs that should have been created since the recession began in December 2007; as mentioned above, there are 6.9 million fewer jobs today than at the start of the Great Recession, but that tells only half the tale of the jobs deficit. There is also the matter of creating jobs to keep up with the increase in workforce population. Those new workers include high school and college graduates, and immigrants. The number of jobs that need to be created each month to accommodate new entrants into the workforce ranges from 120,000 &#8211; 150,000. Adding together the jobs lost since the recession and the new jobs needed for population growth, the total jobs deficit is estimated to be 11.3 million. A few tax breaks, some targeted workforce retraining and some regulatory relief for businesses are not going to be the forces behind the creation of more than 11 million jobs. A massive effort is required to fill that gaping jobs hole.</p>
<p>2. <strong>Filling the jobs deficit:</strong> According to <a href="http://www.epi.org/publication/zero_job_growth_made_worse_by_drop_in_weekly_hours/" target="_hplink">EPI</a>: &#8220;To fill that gap in three years &#8212; by mid-2014 &#8212; while still keeping up with the growth in the working-age population &#8212; would require adding around 400,000 jobs every single month. To fill the gap in five years &#8212; by mid-2016 &#8212; would mean adding 280,000 jobs each month. By comparison, over the last three months, the economy added just 35,000 jobs, on average.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s striking that the economy has created only 105,000 jobs during the past three months. When considering only the new entrants to the workforce, such as recent college graduates, that three-month span produced a shortage of 270,000 or more jobs.</p>
<p>3. <strong>The Birth/Death Model</strong>: This is not births and deaths of people, but of businesses. The BLS estimates how many jobs were created or lost by business formations or closings. In August, the BLS estimated that 87,000 jobs were created by new businesses.</p>
<p>This is an often discussed employment barometer at many economy centered blogs, but mass media pays it meager attention. Why is that so? It&#8217;s a complicated model that can make the head spin of even the most astute employment expert. But there appears to be agreement that the model has a tendency to misread the economic cycle, as <a href="http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2011/05/employment-comment-on-birthdeath-model.html" target="_hplink">Calculated Risk</a> points out, &#8220;A few years ago several people &#8212; myself included &#8212; pointed out that the birth/death model would miss turning points in employment. I thought the model would overstate the number of jobs added as the economy slid into recession (and understate the number of jobs lost monthly during a recession). Sure enough that is what the annual benchmark revision showed during the employment recession.&#8221;</p>
<p>To illustrate just how wide this model can be off the jobs mark, <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/insight/birth-death-model.html" target="_hplink">Bloomberg</a> shows that 824,000 jobs &#8220;disappeared&#8221; after a birth/death model adjustment in February 2010. That adjustment is important because if it was known that job creation was weaker by 824,000 jobs during 2009, additional job creation efforts could have been considered. At present job creation is stagnant and we won&#8217;t know what role the birth/death model has on today&#8217;s job numbers until 2012. But if history is any guide, job creation may again be overstated.</p>
<p>4. <strong>JOLTS (Job Openings Labor Turnover Survey)</strong>: This monthly BLS report gives an indication of the number of available jobs. On the occasion that it is mentioned <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2011-08-10-wholesale-sales-inventories-june_n.htm" target="_hplink">by the media</a>, it offers only a sliver of the issue, such as the number of unemployed per job opening, which stands currently at 4.3.</p>
<p>From the <a href="http://www.bls.gov/news.release/jolts.htm" target="_hplink">BLS</a>, &#8220;The number of job openings in July was 3.2 million, little changed from June. Although the number of job openings remained below the 4.4 million openings when the recession began in December 2007, the level in July was 1.1 million openings higher than in July 2009 (the most recent trough). &#8221;</p>
<p>What is missing from that JOLTS report? Plenty. First, the 4.3 unemployed per job opening is limited to the 14 million U3 unemployed (the 9.1 percent). But those aren&#8217;t the only unemployed wanting a full-time job. There are the 2.6 million marginally attached workers, 8.8 million underemployed (those who want full-time work, but are working part-time). I&#8217;m not going to include the 3.9 million non-unemployed unemployed (explained later). When those 11.4 million workers are included with the 14 million U3 unemployed, there are 25.4 million workers and 3.2 million jobs, or 8 unemployed or underemployed workers per job opening.</p>
<p>The second issue with JOLTS is that it doesn&#8217;t distinguish whether the available jobs are full-time or part-time. According to a BLS representative &#8220;Part-time jobs are included in our job openings counts; however, we do not distinguish between full and part-time positions. We only ask if the position exists, not which type of position it is.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s important to know how many job openings are part-time, since part-time jobs usually pay less and offer fewer, if any, benefits. Extrapolating from the BLS &#8220;<a href="http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf" target="_hplink">Employed persons by class of worker and part-time status</a>&#8221; data, there are 139,627,000 employed workers, of which 27,034,000 are part-timers. More than 19 percent of all workers work part-time. If nearly 20 percent of all available job openings are part-time, there are only 2.56 million full-time jobs for 25.4 million unemployed and underemployed who want full-time work, or 10 workers for each available full-time position; more than double the 4.3 workers per job opening touted by most media outlets.</p>
<p>5. <strong>The participation rate</strong>: Is, according to the BLS, &#8220;The labor force as a percent of the civilian noninstitutional population.&#8221; Or, more simply, the percentage of the working-age population that is working or is actively looking for a job. The participation rate rose 0.1 percent in August to 64 percent, which is slightly above the 27-year low recorded in July of 63.9 percent.</p>
<p>If more jobs were available would there be more participation? More than likely that would be the case. The mass media very seldom mentions this point, but the participation rate shows the potential number of people waiting on the sidelines for the job market to improve before they jump back in.</p>
<p>A couple of striking graphs of the historical participation rate can be seen at <a href="http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/draghi/Participation%20Rate.jpg" target="_hplink">ZeroHedge</a> and <a href="http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000" target="_hplink">BLS.</a></p>
<p>6. <strong>Marginally attached workers</strong>: From the BLS, &#8220;These individuals were not in the labor force, wanted and were available for work, and had looked for a job sometime in the prior 12 months. They were not counted as unemployed because they had not searched for work in the 4 weeks preceding the survey.&#8221; I know, it&#8217;s not an easily digested description, but it&#8217;s a population of unemployed that want to work, but for various reasons have not looked for work recently. Currently 2.6 million workers are considered marginally attached. If they are included in the unemployment rate, that rate increases from 9.1 percent to 10.6 percent.</p>
<p>7. <strong>The underemployed</strong>: Who are the underemployed? &#8220;The number of persons employed part time for economic reasons (sometimes referred to as involuntary part-time workers). These individuals were working part time because their hours had been cut back or because they were unable to find a full-time job,&#8221; states the BLS.</p>
<p>The August employment report indicated that underemployment increased from July by 400,000 to 8.8 million. Part-time jobs range in hours from one to 34, any job of more than 34 hours is considered full-time work. That might not be the case in the real world where a full-time job is considered 40 hours, but that is the case according to the BLS.</p>
<p>While some believe that part-time jobs eventually translate into full-time jobs, that hasn&#8217;t been the case during this recession, as the linked graph from <a href="http://cr4re.com/charts/chart-images/PartTimeAug2011.jpg" target="_hplink">Calculated Risk illustrates</a>. From 2000 to 2008, the number of underemployed ranged between 3 and 4 million. There are currently 4 million more unemployed than at the start of the recession. Businesses would need to see a dramatic uptick in business to place 4 million more part-timers into full-time slots.</p>
<p>The &#8220;real&#8221; unemployment rate increases to 16.2 percent when the underemployed and marginally attached workers are considered.</p>
<p>8. <strong>The not-unemployed unemployed</strong>: Yes, there is a point at which the BLS stops considering an unemployed person unemployed. That point is reached when an unemployed person has not looked for a job in the previous 12 months. When asked, the BLS replied, &#8220;The 3.9 million individuals not in the labor force that you are referring to responded that they wanted a job, but had not looked for a job in the last 12 months. They are not considered unemployed because they had not actively searched for work in the four weeks preceding the survey.&#8221; I recall no mention of these 3.9 million from any mass media outlet.</p>
<p>This 3.9 million are the most discouraged of discouraged workers, but if the jobs market was improving, these millions would start to become part of the unemployed once more. If these 3.9 million were added to the &#8220;real&#8221; unemployment rate (U6) the rate would increase from 16.2 percent to 19 percent. Nearly one in five American workers is either unemployed or underemployed. Why isn&#8217;t that disturbing fact in the media spotlight every day?</p>
<p>9. <strong>The long-term unemployed</strong>: These 6.0 million are the jobless who have been looking for work for 6 months or more (this does not include the not-unemployed unemployed). Long-term unemployment receives occasional mass media recognition, but it scratches only the surface. There are subsets of the long-term unemployed that show the depth of the problem more clearly. The 6.0 million long-term unemployed represent 43.1 percent of all unemployed. Of that 6 million, 4.458 million have been jobless for 52 or more weeks and within that group 2.040 million, a record high, have been unemployed for 99 weeks or more (not to be confused with the &#8220;99ers&#8221; explained below). Even more startling than those numbers is the lack of response by lawmakers.</p>
<p>10. <strong>99ers</strong>: These long-term unemployed have exhausted all unemployment benefits (not all unemployed collect unemployment benefits). The name &#8220;99ers&#8221; comes from the fact that some collected benefits for up to 99 weeks. It&#8217;s a misnomer in the sense that only about 25 states are eligible for the 99 week maximum; many unemployed exhausted benefits in as little as 60 weeks.</p>
<p>Official statistics are not kept for this unemployed population. When Mish Shedlock of Global Economics Trend Analysis was asked about the 99ers population, he contacted Tim Wallace. Wallace has been digging into long-term unemployment data to try and weed out the number of unemployed who have exhausted all unemployment benefits. His most recent efforts show that, &#8220;we can safely assume that 3,058,152 people have exhausted all benefits &#8212; they are no longer covered on either sets of (unemployment) rolls.&#8221; But it doesn&#8217;t end there, using some additional Department of Labor data Wallace pries out another 2.0 million 99ers, for a combined 5.1 million.</p>
<p>Other 99ers estimates range from 1.5 to 5.0 million, but as the linked graph at <a href="http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2010/12/here-come-99ers.html" target="_hplink">Here come the &#8217;99ers</a> at Calculated Risk illustrates; the number of unemployed that are exhausting unemployment benefits is rapidly increasing.</p>
<p>While there may be disagreement about the total population of 99ers, Wallace concludes, &#8220;There is absolutely NO EXCUSE for this to not be a readily accessible piece of data daily. After all, Walmart can tell you how many strawberry Pop Tarts they sold yesterday.&#8221; There is also no excuse for the mass media ignoring this vast unemployed population and not taking agencies to task for not reporting accurate 99ers data.</p>
<p>Millions of additional unemployed will become 99ers immediately unless extended unemployment benefits are renewed in December. A worker laid off today will be eligible for only 26 weeks of state benefits unless an extension is approved by a much divided Congress.</p>
<p>How can an economy function when so many are out of work and have exhausted unemployment benefits?</p>
<p>(To view Wallace&#8217;s report, go to, <a href="http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2011/09/how-many-unemployed-have-exhaused-all.html" target="_hplink">How Many Unemployed Have Exhausted All Benefits?</a>)</p>
<p>11. <strong>How many unemployed collect unemployment benefits?</strong> It may seem reasonable to assume that all 14 million unemployed collect unemployment insurance benefits, but that is not the case. In September 7.17 million unemployed collected benefits, which is only 51 percent of all unemployed (U3, the 9.1 percent).</p>
<p>Surprisingly, on average just one third of all unemployed are eligible for unemployment benefits at the state level (2011 data). As an example, temporary staff, self-employed and recent high school and college graduates may be out of work, but not eligible for benefits. Eligibility rates range from 57 percent in AK and PA to TX at 21 percent. Each state can set its own guidelines regarding eligibility requirements. When someone tells you they are unemployed, it&#8217;s more than likely they are not collecting unemployment benefits.</p>
<p>Many pundits and some GOP lawmakers excoriate all unemployed for being lazy and enjoying life on the dole. <a href="http://bud-meyers.blogspot.com/2011/09/jim-demint-jobless-gaming-system.html" target="_hplink">Sen. Jim DeMint</a> (R-SC)recently said, &#8220;People are gaming the system and refusing to take jobs because they get unemployment benefits and food stamps.&#8221; That naïve and cruel assessment disparages all unemployed, but it&#8217;s particularly insulting to the majority of unemployed who aren&#8217;t eligible to collect or have exhausted unemployment benefits. If Sen. DeMint and his ilk want to see where the system is being gamed, he may want to look at Wall Street instead of Main Street.</p>
<p>What message can be taken from this list of realistic and discomforting unemployment figures? The bottom line is that unemployment is much worse than the 9.1 percent unemployment figure pushed by the media and many lawmakers; in fact it&#8217;s considerably worse.</p>
<p>Mass media&#8217;s inability to communicate the depth of the jobs crisis is one reason the response to it has been primarily weak and ineffectual. If the media mutes the crisis, lawmakers and corporations will continue to act slowly and impotently, forcing millions of American families to suffer needlessly.</p>
<p>Unemployment and jobs creation are national emergencies demanding focused attention with a wide-ranging and rapid response. This American jobs disaster will not vanish if neglected, but what will vanish are the hopes, dreams and financial well-being of millions of hard-working Americans.</p>
<p><em>This was first published at <a href="http://www.alternet.org/economy/152401/11_reasons_why_the_unemployment_crisis_is_even_worse_than_you_think" target="_hplink">AlterNet.org</a>.</em></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Originally posted at AlterNet Where are the jobs? That question is on the minds of millions of Americans who have lost jobs during the Great Recession. During this historically lean jobs creation period, finding a new job often requires thinking outside the box. And you can&#8217;t think much further outside the job search box than [...]]]></description>
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<p>Where are the jobs? That question is on the minds of millions of Americans who have lost jobs during the Great Recession. During this historically lean jobs creation period, finding a new job often requires thinking outside the box. And you can&#8217;t think much further outside the job search box than &#8220;workamping&#8221; &#8212; also known as work-camping.</p>
<p>&#8220;The RV&#8217;s kitchen slide broke in Eutaw, Alabama, which is in the middle of the middle of nowhere. We managed. We were stuck in the mud in Clarksdale, Mississippi during a launch party for the anthology, <a href="http://www.suzannellingsworth.com/" target="_hplink">Delta Blues</a>. The tow truck driver who pulled our rig out of the mud jackknifed it and broke out the pickup&#8217;s rear window. Guess I can add my broken wrist to the list of oopsies.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s how Suzann Ellingsworth described a couple of days in the workamping life she shares with her husband, Dave, as they drive their RV through the southern and plains states looking for work.</p>
<p>According to <a href="http://www.workamper.com/" target="_hplink">Workamper.com</a>, a workamper is &#8220;an adventurous individual who has chosen a wonderful lifestyle that combines ANY kind of part-time or full-time work with RV camping. If you work as an employee, operate a business, or donate your time as a volunteer, AND you sleep in an RV (or on-site housing), you are a Workamper. Workampers generally receive compensation in the form of a free campsite, usually with free utilities (electricity, water, and sewer hookups) and additional wages.&#8221;</p>
<p>Calling it a &#8220;wonderful lifestyle&#8221; seems a bit over the top for some workampers. After communicating with Suzann for more than six months and observing the Ellingsworth&#8217;s ups and frequent downs, it&#8217;s obvious that workamping is not all fun and games, at least for those who hit the road in need of a job to survive.</p>
<p>Most workamper jobs are of the minimum-wage variety. Workampers generally don&#8217;t receive unemployment insurance benefits, severance pay or any warning that a job is about to end. Workampers face many of the same job insecurity issues as the millions of Americans who have been downsized due to job outsourcing, financial mismanagement and slow consumer demand for products and services, except workampers are purposely more nimble and have been conditioned to pack up and move to where the jobs are. &#8220;We have to be mobile to land a job,&#8221; said Suzann. Those who become jobless and live in traditional stationary homes aren&#8217;t usually able to move to another city on a moment&#8217;s notice.</p>
<p>Since workamping is a nomadic lifestyle, it&#8217;s difficult to collect a headcount. Steve Anderson, president of <a href="http://www.workamper.com/" target="_hplink">Workamper.com</a>, said the most recent workamper survey is from KOA, but it is dated: &#8220;Nearly 10 years ago the KOA Corporation gave an estimate that 750,000 were living the workamping lifestyle. Their data was questioned then and at best was an estimated guess. Over the years we have seen our membership remain in the 14,000 range with thousands of others in the dreaming stages of workamping. It is very transitional lifestyle, meaning folks begin and end the lifestyle every day.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;More people are turning to workamping as a way to earn money,&#8221; said Jaimie Hall Bruzenak, <a href="http://www.rvlifestyleexperts.com/index.php" target="_hplink">RVlifestyleexperts.com</a> founder and author of <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Support-Lifestyle-Insiders-Guide-Working/dp/0971677700" target="_hplink">Support Your RV Lifestyle! An Insider&#8217;s Guide to Working on the Road</a>. &#8220;I would say it is mixed, though. Some are the traditional retired couples who want to either earn a little money or get a free site while having the chance to travel and stay in beautiful places. There are also those who have been hit with the downturn &#8212; either they don&#8217;t have enough retirement income to live on or perhaps lost their jobs and look to workamping as an alternative way to make a living. There are people in their 20s, 30s and 40s who choose this lifestyle. My late husband and I were 47 when we started.&#8221;</p>
<p>For an increasing number of older workers, workamping may offer an opportunity to supplement retirement incomes. According to a <a href="http://finance.yahoo.com/focus-retirement/article/113381/many-seniors-keep-working-wsj;_ylt=ApzXE2mb5wptC3Ar8avlY8y7YWsA;_ylu=X3oDMTE1NnRnc3Q2BHBvcwMzBHNlYwNmaWRlbGl0eUZQBHNsawNmb3JtYW55c2VuaW8-?mod=fidelity-changingjobs&amp;cat=fidelity_2010_changing_jobs" target="_hplink">2011 study</a> from the nonprofit Transamerica Center for Retirement Studies, &#8220;More than three in five U.S. workers in their 50s and 60s plan on working past 65 &#8212; and 47% of that group say they&#8217;ll do so because they&#8217;ll need the money or health benefits.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Great Recession has cost millions of Americans their livelihoods as it did the Ellingsworths. Dave, according to Suzann, &#8220;was a marketing/advertising/IT professional&#8211;the first corporate division to fall in any economic downturn, counterproductive as that is.&#8221; The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) reported for August that <a href="http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm" target="_hplink">6.2 million workers</a> have been unemployed for 27 weeks or more. Over two million workers have been unemployed for 99 weeks or more &#8211; near record levels.</p>
<p>Suzann is uncomfortably familiar with her husband&#8217;s job search struggle. &#8220;Over the UI period, he sent hundreds of resumes. It netted three in-person interviews, no offers. Words can&#8217;t describe what it does to a man to be unable to find work&#8211;the grind-down process. Constantly ginning hope that &#8216;this will be the day&#8217; meets no dice at mid-afternoon. Friends and family members eventually believe you aren&#8217;t trying hard enough, you&#8217;re too picky, you&#8217;re enjoying an extended, paid vacation of sorts.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s certainly not a paid vacation for millions of job seekers. The BLS reported that there were <a href="http://www.bls.gov/news.release/jolts.nr0.htm" target="_hplink">3.1 million job openings</a> in the US, &#8220;well below the 4.4 million openings when the recession began in December 2007.&#8221; When the unemployed, discouraged workers, and underemployed (those seeking full-time work, but currently working only part-time), are added together, there are roughly eight people available for each full-time job opening.</p>
<p>Both natives of Missouri, Suzann, 58, and Dave, 56, are the parents of three grown children and grandparents of three. A freelance writer, Suzann was apprehensive about the dramatic change in lifestyle once she and her husband decided to take on the workamper lifestyle, &#8220;I&#8217;ll admit a serious case of intimidation at the prospect of a so-called real job, having womanned a keyboard in a home office for a couple of decades. Small businesses don&#8217;t come any smaller than a <a href="http://www.suzannledbetter.com/aboutsuzann.htm" target="_hplink">self-employed writer</a>.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Ellingsworths were forced to sell their home in the fall of 2009. After thoroughly researching what they would need to become workamper road warriors, they purchased a 2002 pickup and a 34-foot-long, six-year-old RV, or as it was dubbed &#8220;a Pringles can with tires.&#8221;</p>
<p>On January 21, 2010, they packed their remaining possessions and their two rescued greyhounds into the pickup and RV. They had hoped to gradually learn the ropes of operating the large rig, but unseasonable weather, &#8220;kiboshed all plans to practice hitching the RV to the pickup, practice driving them on empty parking lots. The first time Dave hitched the two was the day we left. The first time he drove the two hitched was when we pulled out. Even we can&#8217;t believe we did that, let alone made it through Memphis early afternoon traffic alive.&#8221;</p>
<p>When asked what they miss most about the non-RV life, Suzann replied, &#8220;Of course, family and friends the most. The sense we&#8217;re abdicating our responsibilities to Dave&#8217;s elderly parents, our three grown children, and three grandchildren gets to us. Life does go on&#8211;ours now separate from those we love most.&#8221;</p>
<p>The jobs available for workampers are generally lower paying and without benefits &#8211; often minimum wage, or less if you are supplied with a dedicated campsite, which can include electricity and water. If you pay for a campsite, it can cost anywhere from $350 to $500 a month. Workampers who have a secondary form of income can obtain a free campsite at a national, state, or private RV park by &#8220;volunteering&#8221; 20-30 hours of work.</p>
<p>William Smith of <a href="http://www.happyvagabonds.com/" target="_hplink">Happyvagabonds.com</a>, an RV camping and jobs search site, said, &#8220;The people who most successful at workamping will generally not rely on workamping as a sole source of income. Compensation is typically on the low end of the scale for workampers. It is not unusual to see campgrounds offer arrangements where the workamper will actually earn less than minimum wage in exchange for their campsite.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://work-camping.com/" target="_hplink">Work-camping.com</a> notes &#8220;Many work-camping jobs are seasonal, running from about May to October, though some positions in warm-weather states like Florida or Arizona may be year-round.&#8221;</p>
<p>While most jobs are of the minimum-wage variety, Jaimie Hall Bruzenak added, &#8220;There are many other opportunities, some of which do pay more. There are sales jobs such as working for Air Photo, where workampers I&#8217;ve interviewed say they make $40,000 a year or more. My late husband and I worked as seasonal workers for the National Park Service and made $12-$18 an hour. In a six-month season, we could live on one paycheck and then bank the other.&#8221;</p>
<p>During the 2010 winter holiday season, Dave was fortunate to secure 40-hour-a-week employment at an Amazon distribution center &#8212; a workamper&#8217;s dream job. Amazon is a company that caters to the workamper, according to Jaimie Hall Bruzenak: &#8220;Amazon hires as many workampers as they can for work in their warehouses and pay very well for seasonal work, as well as provide an RV site. They have found the more mature workers to be more productive than the younger ones, in spite of the fact that they aren&#8217;t as physically able as the young ones.&#8221;</p>
<p>Living the workamper life can be expensive. There&#8217;s the matter of food (growing food in Styrofoam ice chests offers fresh vegetables), fuel (gas, diesel and propane), vehicle insurance and repairs, communications, campsite fees, and satellite TV. Why satellite TV? &#8220;It&#8217;s all but mandatory, as [broadcast television] is not available in myriad areas surprisingly not far beyond municipal limits.&#8221; Beyond the standard TV fare, &#8220;The Weather Channel is the most important channel because we need to keep track of tornados and flash floods.&#8221;</p>
<p>Besides the weather, another enemy of the workamper is weight, since each pound of cargo increases the cost of fuel to travel. &#8220;We continually jettison items we thought we needed and learned we didn&#8217;t, including the sofa-bed that came with the RV. Before anything is purchased, thought must be given to whether it&#8217;s truly needed and how much it weighs &#8212; weight being a concept unconsidered in a sticks-and-bricks house, but critical to a house that must be towed everywhere.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Ellingsworths have met scores of full-time workampers, &#8220;Including families with children either home-schooled or enrolled in a respective school system for the duration of the temp job, then moving on to the next. The average age of full-timers is 45-54, which counters the mental image of doddering senior citizens on wheels.&#8221;</p>
<p>Prior to Dave&#8217;s job at Amazon, the Ellingsworths worked at a seasonal amusement park in Altoona, IA for six months, Dave as a rides assistant and Suzann as a cashier. Then they found what seemed like the perfect workamper opportunity near the Gulf Coast of TX. The site location was perfect; two Wal-Marts within an easy drive, a bookstore, a library, a Dairy Queen and the Texas coastline were alluring close-by retreats. The job was guaranteed until October 2011, with the distinct possibility of renewal. Dave was a park handyman and Suzann was an office assistant. All was going well until they saw an ad for the jobs they were holding listed on a workamper website. While fulfilling their job duties, the Ellingsworths had observed park mismanagement and other irregularities that made them uncomfortable. They decided to leave their positions before the situation deteriorated further. With that job&#8217;s sudden end, they headed back to Springfield, MO in May 2011, to regroup. On their way home, one of their beloved greyhounds died unexpectedly and the second one died recently.</p>
<p>Workamping is another option in the pursuit of employment during a relatively stagnant US jobs market. The American workforce is being forced to change dramatically in ways that were not demanded of recent generations. The days of working for a single company all your working life and earning a pension that will support you adequately in retirement are ending. Employers now demand less overhead and more productivity in order to increase profits. Full-time workers who receive higher pay and benefits are being replaced by as-needed, contract, freelance and part-time workers who are offered lower pay and fewer, if any, benefits. Large corporations are shifting profit centers offshore and taking with them the most valuable employees who are willing to relocate, while downsizing those who are less skilled and less mobile.</p>
<p>The Ellingsworths are resigned to living their current lifestyle for as long as necessary. Suzann says, &#8220;I can&#8217;t anticipate retiring, since there&#8217;s no retirement income. The RV is home until it isn&#8217;t. We would never buy another house, since we wouldn&#8217;t want to lose it. But we&#8217;re managing. It is a true day-at-a-time lifestyle.&#8221; There are 25 million unemployed and underemployed deciding what they will do next to find a job. Workamping is not the road chosen by most jobless, but for the Ellingsworths and thousands of others it is, for now, the only available road.</p>
<div class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 510px"><a href="http://cdn.svcs.c2.uclick.com/c2/56b6c890b7c2012e2f8f00163e41dd5b"><img title="The &quot;real&quot; Labor Day." src="http://cdn.svcs.c2.uclick.com/c2/56b6c890b7c2012e2f8f00163e41dd5b" alt="" width="500" height="372" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Labor Day 2011. Mike Luckovich - GoComics.com</p></div>
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